The pamphlets will examine the biblical evidence for this. Where do you find a Lake in the text? (Mark 6:20). As Darwinism spread throughout Europe, violence was legitimized under the struggle for existence theory. God commanded humanity to be fruitful and multiply (Genesis 1:28; 9:1) and thus it was necessary to marry ones own relative. Genesis 5:4 acknowledges that during his 930 years of life, Adam became father to sons and daughters. Of course, the Bible does not specify that Cains wife was Eves daughter. His bloodline ended with the flood. The KJV uses the word "keeper," but the Hebrew word ro'eh means shepherd. Nope, he feared the descendants of the ones in Gen 1 v.26. After they disobeyed God he told eve you shall have great pain giving birth this tells me she had given birth before without the curse of pain since they lived so much longer I believe they married each other in some way, Its easy Cain married one of his sisters, just because they are not mentioned in the Bible doesnt mean they dont exist. Nevertheless, F. LaGard Smith comments in The Narrated Bible in Chronological Order: It is altogether likely that these first brothers and sisters enter into marriages with each other, despite the sense of inappropriateness which would be felt should that occur in following generations. Also, it is noteworthy that it was not until Moses received Gods laws for the nation of Israel in 1513 B.C.E. Genesis 1 says Yahweh created mankind, male and female. Adam had many children, so marriage was not a problem as mutations only appeared in the time of Leviticus 18:6 (2500 year later) where God prohibited inter-family relations. Now that said, I am more interested in what my creator took from Adam and made Eve his soulmate. . When God created the human race (Gen. 1.27), the Garden didnt even exist. interestingly, we must know that Adam and Eve was the very first creation of God. That voice that tells you right from wrong is your conscience and morality, not Jesus Christ. There are many more verses dealing with the divine breath. fascinates and captivates raah, They grew up in Sodom and Gomorrah, cities associated with sexual immorality and unnatural lust, according to Britannica. His wife was human. I dont know if it has already been mentioned here, but Gen. 1:26/27 and 2:7 are two different events. It says it is like a thousand years and a thousand years are like a day or even a watch in the night (Psalm 90:4; 2 Peter 3:8). And for the point about incest being ok back than, yes it might have been but the whole pure blood negating any genetic defects associated with incest, doesnt add up. Yes, I have read the book about Adam and Eve having five children where Cain and Abel each had a twin sister and then Seth was born later without a twin. No, Cain was Adam's oldest son and Abel's brother (Genesis Date of Birth. Are they without sin and were they taken out of the garden? Do what I say, dont do what I dowhich is nothing but tell false stories? The fundamentalists commenting here complain about theologically liberal materials and that people are not taking the bible literally and that they are denigrating it. And in Acts 17:26, Paul states that the God who made the world hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth.. Analog to this, there were no circumscribed fields, but the humans gathered fruits, cabbage, seed and whathaveyou (Gen. 1.28). Between 20,000 and 120,000 years ago there was no Persian Gulf. In Genesis , Yahweh took ONE man, and put him in the garden, and from his rib, made He a wife. For example, Moses skips generations in his own genealogy. WOW, I dony know who is right or wrong on this stream, bit it is wonderful to read so many knowledgable people discussing this important issue. Thats why its important to read the Bible over and over, as you and your spirit mature, you will understand more. Ok who was Cain referring to when he told God that anyone who sees him will kill him? After that [when God put a mark on Cain], Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, to the east of Eden. I would also add that the descrptions of the land of Eden, its garden and the surrounding lands only make sense during the last ice age. In Genesis 1:26 we have man without the article which virtually everyone agrees, here, refers to mankind/humanity. and over the years that imperfection has worsened, until now, we average the three score and ten Adam and Eve had Cain and Abel we know. Adam and Eve surely had given birth to more children than just Cain and Abel at the time Abel was killed. I agree that we can learn from Genetic studies and radiometric dating. The story said nothing of Cain repenting for the murder of his brother, only that he felt his punishment was unjust. After the murder of Abel, god asked Cain where his brother Abel Asa and banah refer to the action of building an object, by definition, out of existing material. Aside from those details, I see no harm in wondering whom Cain married. Consider the FACT that todays genetic diversity DID NOT begin with only Two individuals. It says nothing about when or where they met. The single reference to her existence is found in Genesis 4:17 Cain had relations with his wife and she conceived, and gave birth to Enoch. there was never any preadamic creations!. That is why we find so much evidence after about 12,000 years ago, but that is not when it all started, nor do we know how widespread it was. We have to understand the account of people in the Bible. The Bible describes many other scientific areas such as, the water cycle, the classifying of animal life into kinds, the complexity of the universe. Who would know the meaning of the sign? It is the instinctive power of feeling and action needed to sustain the body (Essential Papers on Kabbalah, by Lawrence Fine, p.120). He sends his son Tobias to collect a debt. Adamson was Adam and Eve's firstborn. This is usually because of societal taboos or fear of genetic defects. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/08/050821233037.htm Except for dear Noah and family. He was supposed to have stayed young forever and not grow old and die. If you dont want your precious closed minded, preconceived and superstitious notions and beliefs challenged only read publications put out by your own church. The first is singular form (him) and the second is plural form (them). Him and them in Genesis 1:27 are translations of et. We as humans can never understand God completely but going by the book of Genesis, Cain did not marry his one of his sisters. What matters is Love. Eve is referred to as a heifer. At Leviticus 8:6-17 it clearly showed that close family relatives were not to marry one another. Scientists report that many unique genetic disorders [] result when communities begin or persist with small founding populations and cultural isolation, according to the National Center for Biotechnology Information. 226). Have a great day. 1:5, where it descripts the arising of Jeremia. Indeed, it is in some peoples interests to emphasize the differences of other religions or sects rather than the similarities between them. Apocalypse of Pseudo-Methodius, Golden Legend by Jacopo da Varazze, Historia Scholastica in Gen 4:1 (PL 198, 1076) by Peter Comestor, Seder ha-Dorot: Cain married his sister Calmana and Abel married another sister Delbora The preadamic rulership over the earth isnt agriculture like in Gen. 2.15 (arets adamah). The very first creation was the cosmic space (Gen. 1.1). You know that you are sweeping the whole OT off the table and you are making God and/or all is servants and prophets in the OT out to be liars? Case in point: Do I live in your house? Urmia & the alleged plain of Edin, right before a land seeming to sound like the Angel guarding the opening from Edin on the East could have been The Garden. 2. Because they were very sinful and out of Gods regulations. If they had no daughters, then humanity would have gone extinct. I have written a longer response to what you said in your last post, but here I want to stick to the single pair discussion. . How could we imagine that animals could punish Cain? Cain and Abel both All four came together in what is now the middle of the Persian Gulf. o and if you are going to believe in God and the Bible you cannot go and find your white-out and remove the bits you dont like.., it is in there for a reason and it is all true, not just bits and peices. He also says man was made from actual dust. Sometime in the beginning someone had to have sexual relations with his sister for pedigree sake. By the time they gave birth to Cain and Abel (Gen 4:1-2), Seth (whose lineage we follow through Noah and beyond) and other sons and daughters (Gen 5) they had already disobeyed God and been cast out of the garden of Eden. Thats why he must be born again/born from above. I've been re-reading the pragmatic genesis series. In Gen. 1 God tells man to rule over the animal life and in Gen. 2 God puts him in charge of naming animals (an act of dominion). For this chosen group, the husband did not choose his bride or the bride her husband. Share This land seems to have been where the Persian Gulf is now. Eve bore sixty-three children, thirty-two daughters, and thirty-one sons, before the default. This sounds like the genetic code inherent in each creature from birth, enabling its survival through instinct. 8 Cainan also grew up, married, and begat Mahalaleel. Should the explanation in Genesis on how God created plants before the sun affect the understanding of creation? First, both Genesis one and two have one male and one female. One of the factors, in addition to the total disregard for the Biblical narrative as a whole, that appears to have been omitted is the time scale. See for yourselves. I live from breath to breath The Kool-aid always works, doesnt it? Hi, for starters, this verse is incorrect. Anything could be true with regard to this question. This is strictly the history of the Jew. If they dont have an answer they make one up. What about Genesis 1 chapter 26 . See also (Genesis 6:17, 7:15, etc.). Especially since Adam and Eve dont belong to the ultimative beginning of mankind. (Genesis 2:21-22) The Lord made only two people, so the only people available for Adam and Eves sons to marry were their own sisters. There were the fallen angels and their species living out side the garden. Eve had cain and azura than abel and awan. The nephesh hayyah (soul of the living), the lesser of the two, was formed from the earth when Adam was created, and it has a terrestrial, physical origin in every man (p.708). The band's effervescent joy spills over onto each person they meet, their bright smiles as contagious as their chill-inducing harmonies. These artfully contrived stories do nothing but pull people away from the true teachings of Jesus. Share This is an obvious question to anyone who looks at the Bible with non-fundamentalist open eyes. 6 But when he was twenty years of age, he begat a son, whom he called Enos; The Bible does say that Adam and Eve had other children besides Cain and Abel (Genesis 5:4). Further at Tobit 1:4,11, 14:1 we see the historical inaccuracies. The Lord counsels Cain and warns him, but if you dont do right, sin is crouching at the door; its urge is toward you, yet you can be its master (Genesis 4:7). She was reunited with her twin sister where they were separated at birth. One flowed out of the mountains of western Arabia where there is gold and trees which produce a myrrh like resin. By modern legal definition, Cain would have had to commit incest with one of his sisters in order to create offspring because he had no other choice. So he was himself cursed for cursing his brethren and family. The garden was localized within the Land of Eden. Vote Up Only one church father taught it was flat. So, since all humans on the planet earth came from Adam and Eve, and Cain had a human wife, and all humans were already outside the garden of Eden, therefore the proper conclusion, one borne by the revelation of the God the Holy Spirit, is that Cains wife, whom he took from the people outside the garden, was also a descendant of Adam and Eve. Therefore, brothers must have married sisters at the beginning. Why do we want to create or write our own bible?The bible clearly states his wife came from the land of Nod. go unpunished. He did not exist. If you want to resesrch you cannot exclude all other ancient texts. Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch" (Genesis 4:16-17). How did the spirit of God move upon the face of the waters in Genesis 1:2? DOUBTING IS PERMISSIBLE BUT DENIAL IS FOOLISHNESS. The modern misconception that educated Europeans at the time of Columbus believed in a flat Earth, and that his voyages refuted that belief, has been referred to as the Myth of the Flat Earth. The Bible says nothing about the age of the creation as a whole. So i think we all should just stop deffrents story and live as we are living just followe the commandment of all mighty God. In Hebrew, it means: YHWH Elohim formed Adam, (he was) dust from the ground; in the meaning of Adam WAS dust from the ground (Gen. 3.19). 2, attempts to streamline this reservoir that combines philosophy with scripture. In the November/December 2013 issue of BAR, Mary Joan Winn Leith addresses these questions and explores the identity of the wife of Cain in Who Did Cain Marry?. There were already humans on the earth. She cannot even name the storyteller. Afterward his brother came out with his hand holding Esau's heel, so his name was called Jacob. When Adam and Eve left the Garden, their family consisted of four generations numbering 1,647 pure-line descendants. EnochCain / Children Pseudo-Philo, a Jewish work of the first century CE, narrates that Cain murdered his brother at the age of 15. . One of the most often-asked questions about the Bible is that of Cain's wife. In verses 15-17, we find Adam being told not to eat of the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden. Cain sisters appear AFTER Set, Cain couldnt have married one of them, that would be an anachronism. You mentioned that old Hebrews would laugh at the idea of a human actually coming from dust. 49,000 Yrs. Meanwhile he became father to sons and daughters. (One of Adams sons was Cain, and one of Adams daughters must have become Cains wife. Like I said, read my earlier comments. GET KNOWLEDGE.. DO NOT COMPLICATE THINGS FOR YOURSELVES, THE WORD NOD IN HEBREWS MEANS WANDERER AND CAIN WAS PRONOUNCED A WANDERER FOR HIS ACT. The Bible is clear there is but one, the human race. According to this reasoning, Cain would have married his sisterone of Abel's twin sisters no less, according to the Genesis Rabbah. And later in the land of Nod, Cain took a wife and she gave birth to a son who was named Enoch. Is it possible that Cain went to Nod and waited for nearly a hundred years by himself until on of Adams daughters happened to stroll into Nod all by herself as well? Four highly acclaimed books, published in conjunction with the Smithsonian Institution: Aspects of Monotheism, Feminist Approaches to the Bible, The Rise of Ancient Israel and The Search for Jesus. In Genesis 2 God puts Adam to work with plants. Once again the Focus is on the naming of the entire mankind, in the first two verses. The Bible was not meant to be taken literally. Just as the editor/compilers of the Bible had no problem weaving two separate creation stories together they had many other traditions and legends to work with, They wove a story explaining the origin of homicide into the narrative of creation myth, to flood/destruction myth, to renewal and the story of Abraham and his descendents, the Israelites, whose destiny is of course is the primary purpose for the narrative being composed. Please show me in the text where you are getting your ideas. If we compare the description of the land of Eden with recent research of the middle east, during the last ice age, we find a match. 4 They each married the sister who was born with them. Who was the twin sister of Cain? Such as, could it have been in America and the garden being say around the area on St. Louis. It gives the age at which Adam fathered Seth, how long he lived afterwards and the fact that he had sons and daughters. Notice that Abraham married his half sister with no condemnation from God, even though this was later forbidden. Isch & ischah are used for humans only, while zakar & neqebah are used for humans AND non-human animals. The world of the Bible is knowable. God Almighty always has a plan, however. Biblical Archaeology Society, "Who Were the Ammonites, Moabites and Edomites in the Bible?" Report Cain and Abel both wanted to marry the younger of. The Midrash reveals that Cain and Abel were fraternal twins. It is only in Genesis 2 chapter 7 Then God took some soil from the ground and formed a man.. The human race also evolved with this soul, or nephesh, like the animals. https://www.academia.edu/10440502/Cosmogonies_and_Theogonies. ( Genesis 3: 20) Therefore, Cain must have married a fellow descendant of Adam and Eve. http://www.pnas.org/content/112/39/12075.full, Domestic Dogs 33,000 and 36,000 Yrs. There is also the fact God had to breathe life into the newly produced body of Adam (Gen. 2:7). Lets just compare Gen. 2.7 to Jer. You may want to look this This seems to be a reference to the Jehovas Witness Bible. Thats right. Wake up. But if we look further we see through biblical evidence that Adam did not begat anymore sons or daughters until Seth. We are discussing the phrase, not just a single word. What happened to the other created couples in the garden after the original Adam and Eve, and are they recognizable characters or prophets in the bible? FREE ebook: Exploring Genesis: The Bibles Ancient Traditions in Context
It was also typically held in the aboriginal cultures of the Americas, and a flat Earth domed by the firmament in the shape of an inverted bowl is common in pre-scientific societies. They agree with the word definitions which I have been using. Earlier (comment 17) I referred to attempts to infer the original population size and how they overestimate the original size. For Leiths explanation of the identity of the wife of Cainone of the often-overlooked women in Genesisread her full Biblical Views column Who Did Cain Marry?. Well for all men to have 'inherited' death there would have to be just 1 Adam right? Volume III, TRACT ERUBIN, CH. but chapter 2 shows us of how God accomplished His intentions. Cain is worried about someone finding and killing him, so God gives him a protective mark. He loves Jehovah and his brother. Its an appellative name for the entire mankind, as already explained repeatedly. Abel became a herder of flocks, and Cain a tiller of the ground. That is the evolutionary interpretation of the Adam of the Y Chromosome. It could very well refer to the Biblical Adam. Every dictionary can be Testament to it. Mahalaleel one hundred. Stop majoring on the minor. It seems to suggest they were already married and that they began having children after settling in Nod. Cain had a twin sister, who he eventually married and Abel was part of a set of triplets and he married one of those triplet sisters. Moreover, the Hebrew grammar shows that all the living creatures represent categories, while Adam is one only of his kind, evidently because he is the only one to receive God breath (2:7). Youre adding and detracting from the Bible. The sister of Tubal-cain was Naamah. Now, I can apply these meanings to my life and understand the differences. Geb and Nut in the Hebrew pantheon are Adam and Eve who begot four twin sons, two males Abel and Cain, and two females. 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